Thomas Wanless

Thomas Wanless

Male Abt 1831 - Yes, date unknown

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  • Name Thomas Wanless 
    Born Abt 1831 
    Gender Male 
    Occupation coal miner 
    Died Yes, date unknown 
    • Best match for this person is Thomas the son of Joseph Wanless & Isabella Reay, in Ken & Colin's database. He would have been 19 when William was born. However, this Thomas made himself about 4 years older on his marriage certificate, claiming to be 22 in Feb 1853 instead of 18. Also, Thomas's marriage cert says his father Joseph was a joiner, typically a skilled trade, while Joseph of Colin's database was listed as a coal miner in 1841 and a coal miner shifter in 1851. However, this bit from Julie's dad, a coal miner: "the term of 'shifter' in coal mining was given to a man that was employed on any job that was away from the coal face - he would be classed an EBG (elseware below ground) and as such he could be given the job of fastening full tubs of coal to the rope on the rolly way to get them to the shaft and up to bank (surface) or a man employed on the job of building Wooden Stoppings or Air Doors (to direct the flow of air through the mine), although technically he was a 'shifter' would go by the name of JOINER. " One can find examples of men listed in the census as "joiner at colliery", and examples in the coal mine death records of the joiners being killed while adjusting the tubs or wooden doors in the mine. The Imperial Coal Co. education site here
      defines joiner thus:
      Joiner - To maintain the ventilation doors, props and tubs

      In Feb 1853, Thomas & Elizabeth both lived at Friar's Goose, which is part of Gateshead, according to the Durham Mining Museum - there was a Friar's Goose Colliery, also called the Tyne Main Colliery, there. In April 1853, their first child Alice was born at Killingworth, so Elizabeth (at least) must have returned there to have the child. Son William was also born at Killingworth in 1854. After that, there is no sign of Thomas and Elizabeth in England.

      Thomas & Elizabeth do not seem to be in the 1861 UK census, so perhaps both they died between 1854 and 1861 and William was raised by his Simm/Brown grandparents, with whom he lives in 1861-71. Odd that there's no obvious death cert for either parent in the PRO index though, but there are several Thomases in other areas, so perhaps he died elsewhere. Could they have gone to the US or Australia, leaving their child behind, either intending that to be temporary or permanent?

      We need a male-to-male descendant of this line to do a DNA test.
    Person ID I21  23: Thomas Wanless & Elizabeth Simm | top of tree
    Last Modified 17 Aug 2014 

    Father Joseph Wanless,   b. Est 1780-1811,   d. Yes, date unknown 
    Family ID F13  Group Sheet

    Family Elizabeth Simm,   b. 1832, Longbenton, Northumberland Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown 
    Married 12 Feb 1853  Gateshead, Durham, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
     1. Alice Wanless,   b. 3 Apr 1853, Killingworth, Longbenton, Northumberland, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. May 1853, Longbenton, Northumberland Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 0 years)
     2. William Wandless,   b. 5 Apr 1854, West Moor, Killingworth, Longbenton, Northumberland, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1930  (Age 75 years)
    Last Modified 1 May 2005 
    Family ID F5  Group Sheet

  • Sources 
    1. [S4] Marriage record, Gateshead Reg. Dist. (Reliability: 3).
      Thomas Wandless ( 22 yr, collier, batchelor, residing Friar's Goose) married Elizabeth Simm (21 yr, spinster, residing Friar's Goose) on Feb 12 1853 at St Mary's Church, Gateshead. Fathers were Joseph Wandless, joiner, and Edward Simm, collier. Witnesses were John Earl and George Brown.
      [Note George Brown was Elizabeth's stepfather and later took in Thomas & Elizabeth's son William.]